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The article responds to the paper "Framing Sustainability," by David Orr in this issue. It is agreed that Abraham Lincoln is an excellent example of the ways and means by which a leader causes change. It is pointed out that the issue of sustainability is best framed as a comprehensive change in people's habits, lifestyles and values. Like the issue of slavery, sustainability is concerned with the way of life and of creating wealth. Thus, it will require people to develop a new culture. This will be a difficult task because there is wide gap between the culture of growth and the culture of limits.

This article presents a commentary on ecological and environmental degradation in Indonesia, considering various recently published articles and research papers. The rapidly deteriorating forest environment in Indonesia has been a major concern for environmentalists in recent years. It is expected that the next ten years will see the degradation of all remaining lowland forest and the extreme fragmentation of upland forest. The number of species that will be lost forever is unknown but is sure to be great. The field of conservation biology is having a new hope of restructuring in the field of environmental engineering. According to the author, the finding of new hope is also therefore fundamental to the healthy functioning of the community of researchers and activists. Many people find hope in the young, who have not yet become fixed in their acceptance of materialistic values. In Indonesia great numbers of children belong to pecinta alam, that is, nature lovers, clubs. Most members eventually seem to grow out of their active involvement in such clubs and nongovernmental organizations, as they face the challenges of making a living in a poor country.

The article responds to the paper "Framing Sustainability," by David Orr in this issue. Orr is right in claiming that the peoples of the world are now engaged in a discussion about the issues on sustainability and that no national leader has yet provided the framework for an appropriate vision of sustainability. However, this is not merely a conversation. This is a fight because many of those who are against it wield great power. The actions in the U.S. Senate regarding legislation affecting the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge whereby the proposal to allow oil drilling in the refuge has not been allowed to pass will reverberate throughout history.