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The article responds to the paper "Framing Sustainability," by David Orr in this issue. It is agreed that Abraham Lincoln is an excellent example of the ways and means by which a leader causes change. It is pointed out that the issue of sustainability is best framed as a comprehensive change in people's habits, lifestyles and values. Like the issue of slavery, sustainability is concerned with the way of life and of creating wealth. Thus, it will require people to develop a new culture. This will be a difficult task because there is wide gap between the culture of growth and the culture of limits.